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The

Rivendell Group
of
The Mythopoeic Society.


The Green and Burning Tree
(design & embroidery by Cathy Parlin)

 

For more than thirty years, the Rivendell Group has been meeting regularly on or near the University of Minnesota-Twin Cities campus to study, discuss and enjoy myth, fantasy and imaginative literature in the traditions of J.R.R. Tolkien, George MacDonald, Christina Rossetti, T.H. White, Ursula K. LeGuin, Evangeline Walton, C.S. Lewis, Peter Beagle, Patricia McKillip, Jorge Luis Borges, Marion Zimmer Bradley, John Gardner and Angela Carter (among others). Formerly, we were also the University of Minnesota Mythopoeic Society, a recognized U of MN student organization. Our constitution is on another page.


Joan Marie Verba, Scraps, David Maxine, Ruth Berman
at a discussion of The Patchwork Girl of Oz, by L. Frank Baum

 


We're now a group on FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=62057750357

NEXT MEETING: Join us for the discussion!

Saturday, May 8, 2010 1:30 pm

Discussion with Sharin Schroeder of her paper

at the Southeast Community Library


"It is enough to make the dead rise out of their graves!":

Tolkien, Oliphant and Gendered Conventions of the Supernatural.

1222 4th St. SE, Minneapolis. This is in Dinkytown near the U of MN Mpls campus.

Sharin will read her paper-in-progress, working title is "'It is enough to make the dead rise out of their graves!': Tolkien, Oliphant, and Gendered Conventions of the Supernatural." She writes: "In my paper for the panel on Tolkien Un-bodied, I will begin with Oliphant's novella in order to discuss the gendered roots of discussions about the fantastic and the spiritual that spilled over into modern fantasy from eighteenth and nineteenth-century literary criticism. As we know from "On Fairy Stories," Tolkien saw a reason to intertwine the religious and the fantastic while at the same time wishing to separate the fantastic from the childish. Tolkien is attempting to counteract a narrative of the fantastic that associates both the religious and the preternatural with women and children. After framing the terms of the debate, I then examine moments in _The Lord of the Rings_ where the spirit meets the incarnate, particularly in the narrative of the Paths of the Dead."

Then we'll give her feedback and talk about it. We'll probably eat cookies and drink tea and soft drinks.

Assuming that you've read the Tolkien, you might want to look at the novella by Margaret Oliphant, _A Beleaguered City_, which you can find on the web, since it was originally published in 1880 and is long out of copyright.  Or I could probably send you the text as an attachment to an e-mail if you like.  I found some notes about Margaret Oliphant on the web today--check out http://www.jimandellen.org/gothic/Ghost.OliphantBeleaguered.html.  _A Beleaguered City_ is a pretty short novel, and I thought it wonderful.  But it's written in Victorian language and style, and some readers today may be quite put off by it--at least one former Rivendeller was quite emphatic about that.  http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/11521.bibrec  

[Personally, I loved the Oliphant novel, which I discovered thanks to Ruth Berman's dissertation, a chapter of which she read to Rivendell back in the 70s.  I think it's been too often overlooked by critics of 19th C. fantasy, so I'm glad it's being noticed.  And I was gratified that another Rivendeller contacted me today to say she "really enjoyed it" and she's never been a grad student.]

 

 


Photo from our September '06 discussion with Katherine Kohman, author of Lembas for the Soul, a joint meeting with The Minnesota Tolkien Society:

and see more photos from this meeting,

and from the July 2005 discussion with the MTS of Tolkien 2005 papers by local members David Emerson and Sharin' Schroeder,

see this web-page:

http://homepage.mac.com/david_lenander/Fantasy_and_SF/PhotoAlbum33.html

David Emerson's paper was: "Tolkien and Moorcock: Achieveing Literary Depth through Vertical and Horizontal Explorations of Time."

Current Meeting Schedule

Meetings are normally on Saturdays at 1:30 p.m. After many years of meeting at the U of MN's Coffman Union we're no longer meeting on-campus at the U of M.

Future topics/discussions:

Saturday, May 8, 2010, at 1:30 at the Southeast Community Library, 1222 4th St. SE Minneapolis, MN (in "Dinkytown," near the U of M Mpls campus). Library phone: 952-847-2728. I previously sent a .pdf of a flyer for this meeting, so hopefully you were able to read the details there. Here are a few more. Plus additional news.

Sharin Schroeder will read her paper-in-progress, working title is "'It is enough to make the dead rise out of their graves!': Tolkien, Oliphant, and Gendered Conventions of the Supernatural." She writes: "In my paper for the panel on Tolkien Un-bodied, I will begin with Oliphant's novella in order to discuss the gendered roots of discussions about the fantastic and the spiritual that spilled over into modern fantasy from eighteenth and nineteenth-century literary criticism. As we know from "On Fairy Stories," Tolkien saw a reason to intertwine the religious and the fantastic while at the same time wishing to separate the fantastic from the childish. Tolkien is attempting to counteract a narrative of the fantastic that associates both the religious and the preternatural with women and children. After framing the terms of the debate, I then examine moments in _The Lord of the Rings_ where the spirit meets the incarnate, particularly in the narrative of the Paths of the Dead."

Then we'll give her feedback and talk about it. We'll probably eat cookies and drink tea and soft drinks.

Assuming that you've read the Tolkien, you might want to look at the novella by Margaret Oliphant, _A Beleaguered City_, which you can find on the web, since it was originally published in 1880 and is long out of copyright. Or I could probably send you the text as an attachment to an e-mail if you like. I found some notes about Margaret Oliphant on the web today--check out http://www.jimandellen.org/gothic/Ghost.OliphantBeleaguered.html. _A Beleaguered City_ is a pretty short novel, and I thought it wonderful. But it's written in Victorian language and style, and some readers today may be quite put off by it--at least one former Rivendeller was quite emphatic about that. http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/11521.bibrec

Upcoming topics .  

We're planning meetings this summer to discuss the Gilbert & Sullivan operetta, Iolanthe, or The Peer and the Peri (involving Members of Parliament and a band of Fairies, and a lot of Victorian silliness, and some lovely melodies), and hopefully, more Inklings (we really haven't discussed Charles Williams in quite a while),and we'll have to take up CSL's Voyage of the Dawn Treader again in preparation for the motion picture expected next December, etc.

I heard from a couple of people that we do want to meet & watch & discuss the most recent Harry Potter film (and its book) as it's available on DVD. We might also talk about nominations for the national Mythopoeic Society Fantasy & Scholarship awards, as several of our local members serve on the various awards committees.

Our recent discussion with Pat Wrede fell through in part when Patricia C. Wrede was unable to attend at the last minute. However, we had a good turnout and most attendees had actually read the book! So we had a good discussion. Pat would be willing to respond to questions, of which there were several. One thing she told me was that the next book in "Frontier Magic" has been delayed, as Life has Intervened with finishing the manuscript. Maybe we could try again after the paperback comes out this summer, some time. Perhaps at a local con.

Recent Rivendell Topics 1997-2010 (this is a link to another page listing our topics back to 1997)

 

UPCOMING & Recent Twin City LOCAL EVENTS & DATES OF INTEREST
Misc. news:

UPCOMING LOCAL CONVENTIONS OF NOTE---
Jun 25-27 Fourth Street Fantasy Convention, Minneapolis, MN. http://www.4thstreetfantasy.com/

July 1-4 CONvergence, Bloomington, MN. GoHs: L. A. Banks, Jeremy Bulloch, Paul Cornell, Bridget Landry, Chuck McCann, Wally Wingert. (Pre-reg deadline: May 15) http://convergence-con.org/

I told Eric that we'd do a CONvergence discussion of _Voyage of the Dawn Treader_ in preparation for the film coming out next December, and also in preparation for a future discussion of ours of Laura Miller's wonderful book, _The Magician's Book_, which is about reading C.S. Lewis's Chronicles. Hopefully that'll be on July 3, I suppose (If that's the Saturday)? Perhaps this will be our July meeting.
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MYTHCON 2011? Proposal from David E.
David Emerson is proposing a Twin Cities "Mythcon," in 2011 or more likely, 2012. He's looking for ideas, volunteers and any other help he can find. Mythcon is the annual Mythopoeic Conference of the Mythopoeic Society, our parent Society. FFI: www.mythsoc.org

This year's Mythcon is Mythcon 41 War in Heaven Crowne Plaza Suites­Dallas Dallas, Texas July 9-12. 2010 Guests of honor are novelist Tim Powers & scholar/editor/author Janet Brennan Croft.
The following registration rates are available through May 15, 2010 (learn more):www.mythsoc.org

$65 for Mythopoeic Society members
$75 for non-members
$55 for students * * Please bring student ID for confirmation at Mythcon

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UPCOMING RIVENDELL PUBLICATIONS: Joan Marie Verba is having a special Tues, May 18. Thunderbirds Virtual (Re)Launch Party. FFI: http://www.ftlpublications.com which is a kind of online event, as I understand it, involving free downloadable stuff if you buy one of Joan's Thunderbirds books on that day. You can check out the details on a page that is linked to the ftlpublications site, above. Here's a note from the web-site: Remember Saturday mornings when you were a child, sitting in front of the television in your pajamas, watching your favorite shows? Remember the fun when the good guys outwitted the bad guys?
Then the Thunderbirds™ books are for you! These are the officially licensed, approved, and sanctioned novels based on the 1960s Thunderbirds™ television series, set in the decade of the 2060s.

The other Rivendeller note of interest is that Caroline Stevermer's Magic Below Stairs should be out next month. This is the "Young Frederick" story (for younger readers, set in the world of _Sorcery & Cecilia_) that we've heard some excerpts from in the past couple of years, notably at one of our "Readings from Rivendell" events.


Ongoing Information

OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS

For more information, including directions, contact David, at 292-8887; or d-lena@tc.umn.edu

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Second Foundation

*Our complementary sister- or daughter- group, Second Foundation, meets regularly to discuss Science Fiction.

Next meeting is on March 1, 2009. Topic: the works of Jack Vance.

there will also be a co=sponsored discussion on the following weekend at MARS CON of the same topic, the works of Jack Vance.

FFI: Eric Heideman, eheideman@quest.net

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RIP

From the Star-Tribune Obituaries page.

Margaret J. Howes

Howes, Margaret J. Age 80, of Mpls, passed away April 15, 2008. Survived by son, Bruce (Joyce); daughter, Denise; 7 grandchildren; sister, Dorothy (James) and brother, Douglas (LaVern). Funeral Mass Friday, April 18, 2 PM, with visitation 1-2 PM at Annunciation Catholic Church, 509 W. 54th St., Mpls. Cremation Society of MN Mpls 612-825-2435

Published in the Star Tribune on 4/17/2008.

Margaret was one of the original group that gathered together at the invitation of Todd Zuhlsdorf to form the Rivendell discussion group of the Mythopoeic Society.  She and Ruth Berman and I were the only ones from that original gathering, in 1973 or 74 who were still regularly attending.  Margaret had been a member of the Society over the years, off and on, and had attended a Mythcon or three.  She's actually pictured above in the Rivendell photo from the 80s--she is Scraps, the Patchwork Girl of Oz. You can see other pictures of her on her web-page, or further down on this page. She was our guest of honor at Bree Moot 5, after the publication of her novel, The Wrong World, and I have a web-page up for her fan activities at http://www.tc.umn.edu/~d-lena/MargHowes.html


Old news--

Rivendeller Caroline Stevermer's book, When the King Returns, is now in bookstores as a mass market paperback, along with Peg Kerr's The Wild Swans. Also, P.C. Hodgell's first two novels are reprinted as Dark of the Gods, along with sequel, Seeker's Mask, to be followed by a fourth volume in the series, next summer. Not to mention Margaret Howes' novel, The Wrong World. Check out information on Margaret's page. I'll add more about the novel, Autumn World, which is also in bookstores, by five former or present Rivendellers, soon.

3/28/00. Here's a Rivendell Discussion Report from Joan Marie Verba, which recently appeared in Mythprint.

A U of MN student has put up a pretty successful New Tolkien Movie news page.

check it out at: http://ringbearer.org/

 

For further local events news, call the Minn-stiff hotline: 824-5559.



Although this page has received many little "tweaks" since it came up in March of '96, most of its growth has been incremental. In August of 96, however, I added a Mythcon 24 page which contains a record of the chief achievement of Rivendell's years: The 24th annual Conference of the Mythopoeic Society. I've also recently added quite a bit to the Last Homely Hearth page, put up pages for Joan Marie Verba, Caroline Stevermer, Jack Zipes & Peg Kerr, added to the Ruth Berman page, added a picture to the Tolkien Thoughts page, and added more pictures of Rivendellers on another, attached page. Still coming, pages and/or links for Eric M. Heideman, Michael Levy, P.C. Hodgell, Margaret Howes, Rodney Shewan, Laramie Sasseville, Stephen Prickett, C. Michael Hancher, Sandra Lindow, and maybe such other writers as Phyllis Ann Karr, Sherwood Smith and some of the Scribblies (including novelists Patricia C. Wrede, Steve Brust, Emma Bull, Will Shetterly, Kara Dalkey, Pam Dean). A past member and former officer, Jim Rogers, celebrates his birthday on November 4.
Click for a list of Rivendell discussion topics in the early 1980s years of our activities. There's a bit more about our history in a discussion of On Starting a Mythopoeic Society Discussion Group on the Hermits' Pool page.

Here's a few Discussion Reports.

 

[A photo from a Readings from Rivendell meeting from many years back. Terry Garey, on the right, read some poetry. She has a recent collection on cassette. To her right is Paula Rice Biever (check out her 'zine, Remnants), and to Paula's right is Erik Biever, proprietors, Foont Cellars Brewing & Publishing (publisher of our newsletter), and Sally Morem.]



[More Rivendellers, left to right: (Terry Garey's arm), Eleanor Arnason, Joan Marie Verba, Sandra Unerman, Ruth Berman and Margaret Howes. Probably the "Readings From Rivendell meeting in 1990 or 1991.]

[Still more Rivendellers at the same meeting: Eric M. Heideman, Polly Peterson, Marianne Hageman, Mike Dorn, Peg Kerr Ihinger and Brian Neurauter.]

For more pix, of more Rivendellers, at the discussion of Steve Brust's The Sun, The Moon and The Stars in an artist's studio, click here.


Click for some reflections on reading Tolkien by David Lenander that were intended for the Mythlore Tolkien memorial issue, but which were never used, and which included an account of Rivendell activities from years ago. As of 7/27/97, I've added some more scanned photographs.

Rivendell is affiliated with The Mythopoeic Society, headquartered in California--but membership in the national society is not required, and most local members are not members. There are another dozen or more similar groups located in scattered geographic locations about the U.S.A. For more information, see the Activity Calendar, where upcoming Rivendell activities are also listed.

Our local activity calendars are free through campus mail, via e-mail or available for the cost of postage through U.S. mail. Besides our monthly discussions, we have occasionally sponsored other programs, such as readings of new, original tales by such local writers (and members) as P.C. Hodgell and Eleanor Arnason, or lectures by professors like Stephen Prickett (U of Sussex, England, author of Victorian Fantasy), or U of MN students like Mike Levy, or SF & Fantasy novelists like C.J. Cherryh, Ben Bova, Gordon Dickson and Phyllis Ann Karr. We have also participated in the Mpls. S.F. Convention ("Minicon"), held annually during Easter weekend, the Fourth Street Fantasy Convention, SF Minnesota's Diversicon, Arcana, and acted as organizing committee for the 24th annual Conference of the Mythopoeic Society in 1993, and other activities. With some of these other organizations, and especially with our "offspring," the local C.S. Lewis Society and Second Foundation, a group that regularly meets to discuss SF, we have often held joint meetings, worked together on publicity or cross-listed our events in newsletters, etc. We are generally listed in the local MN-Stf organization (Minnesota Science Fiction Society) calendar, Einblatt. To read the recent Einblatts, go to http://www.mnstf.org/mnstf/einblatt/ and in the related pages you can also read about other Twin Cities area fan activities, including Minicon and Minn-StF meetings http://www.ddb.com/Minn-StF/

A recent local event of particular interest was the 30th anniversary commemorative Tolkien Conference, put on by some students at Mankato State University. Ruth Berman, Steve Deyo, David Lenander and Louisa Smith attended from Rivendell.

We also hosted a followup to this and to the recent "BREE MOOT" conferences in the midwest (previously, Iowa and Missouri) in May of '97, coinciding with the revival of the Children's Theater Company's production of The Hobbit. A Bree Moot con report should be added to this page, soon.

We're particularly proud of the creative and scholarly productions of some of our members, and especially of our annual December "Readings from Rivendell" program, where our members have read many stories and poems that were much enjoyed by all listeners--and in many cases, by later readers when these were published.

Our occasional newsletter over the years is Last Homely Hearth. I plan to add a number of past articles here. See here for the early history of the Rivendell Group. See also the Eleanor Arnason page for some reproduced material from LHH.

Here's a list of some mythopoeic writers about whom I'll be adding some more discussion, information, etc. Here's a similar list, of Minnesota and SF & F-related writers, from David Dyer-Bennet, http://www.ddb.com/sf/Minnesota-authors.shtml


May '95 Rivendell discussion of the "Enchanted Forest" books with the author,

Patricia

C.

Wrede.

 

 



from left:

Riawa Smith, Alexandra Howes, Steve Glennon, Margaret Howes, Patricia C. Wrede
photo by David Lenander

For a number of years I was unable to complete the caption on the above photograph--I wasn't sure of the identity of the young woman between Riawa and Steve. This past August I received the following note: Dear Mr. Lenander,

I was browsing the internet with regards to information on my grandmother, Margaret Howes, and came across The Rivendell Group`s webpage. As I scrolled down to look at your pictures I found one of the group that met with Patricia C. Wrede. You have everyone`s names listed [but] mine. I am the young girl second from the left with the long hair and glasses. My name is Alexandra Howes, and my grandmother, Margaret, used to take me to meetings when I was growing up.

It was a pleasure to chance upon your site and to see myself when I was still a young teenager! I am currently 24 and still writing; as my grandmother always encouraged and inspired me to do. Perhaps you could update with my name and surprise a few people who might know me.

Best regards to you and The Rivendell Group!

~Alexandra Howes


For latest update to this page, see updates page.



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